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  • #7590
    5692b
    Deltagare

    Hej kära diskussionsgrupper medlemmar,
    Min nyinköpta Monte/Sport har rätt blocket, överdimensionerade kolvar (74), GT vev, högt portade, har en expansionskammare, korrekt trippel förgasaren ställa upp, och de ursprungliga två pipigt avgassystem.
    Men kör det mycket dåligt tills jag når 4K + RPM. Tyvärr önskar jag att använda bilen som en daglig förare och inte som en racerbil.
    Jag fick höra ett enda rör Simons sportavgassystem säljs av Skandix skulle vara till hjälp. Håller du med detta? Jag kan alltid spara expansionskammaren och ursprungliga två rörsavgassystem för en framtida ägare, bör thye vill ha en racerbil.
    Dina tankar är uppskattade.
    Hälsningar,
    Jim Pascale

    Hello Fellow Newsgroup members,
    My newly purchased Monte/Sport has the proper block, oversized pistons (74), GT crank, is highly ported, has an expansion chamber, the proper triple carburetor set-up, and the original two pipe exhaust system.
    However, it runs very poorly until I reach 4K+ RPM. Unfortunateley, I wish to use the car as a daily driver and not as a race car.
    I was told a single pipe Simons sports exhaust sold by Skandix would be helpful. Do you agree with this? I can always save the expansion chamber and original two pipe exhaust for a future owner, should he wish to have a race car.
    Your thoughts are appreciated.
    Regards,
    Jim Pascale

    #57959
    Morten S.
    Moderator

    Nå har jeg ingen erfarenhet med trimmede totaktere, men på min originale Monte Carlo kjører jeg det originale eksosanlegget. Eneste unntaket er bakre potte som er en modifisert gjennomstrømningspotte. Dette da jeg ikke fikk tak i original.
    Den drar meget pent hele veien, fra ca. 17-1800 ohm.

    Been a Saab owner since 1987.
    I have owned at least 40 Saabs, mainly older Saabs.

    Today I have:
    1960 93F
    1967 96 Monte Carlo 850
    1975 96 V4
    1989 900i 8V 5 dørs
    2009 9-3 SC tid

    #57979
    5692b
    Deltagare

    Takk Morton for ditt svar.
    Jeg har ikke vært i stand til å finne en front lyddemper eller jeg ville bytte ut utvidelsen kammeret for at først og se hva som gjør og prøve og beholde de to rørsystemet.
    Hvis jeg ikke finner det jeg vil prøve Simons systemet og rapportere tilbake til nyhetsgrupper mine resultater.
    Jim

    Thank you Morton for your reply.
    I have not been able to find a front silencer or I would change out the expansion chamber for that first and see what that does and try and retain the two pipe system.
    If I can’t find that I will try the Simons system and report back to the newsgroup my results.

    #57981
    Morten S.
    Moderator

    Er det denne du er ser etter:

    https://svenskasaabklubben.nordicshops.com/product.html?product_id=462&category_id=9

    Her er min bakre potte:

    Been a Saab owner since 1987.
    I have owned at least 40 Saabs, mainly older Saabs.

    Today I have:
    1960 93F
    1967 96 Monte Carlo 850
    1975 96 V4
    1989 900i 8V 5 dørs
    2009 9-3 SC tid

    #57986
    hubbe
    Deltagare

    Morten,

    jeg kjøpte i fjor fra klubben den främre sport ljyddämpare artnr: 73 20 51.
    Men det var ikke en god idé, inne var den lik den standard 2t ljyddämpare artn:
    70 94 67 (Dvs. uten konus og motkonus)

    #58020
    5692b
    Deltagare

    Først, la meg takke deg for utholdenhet din i å prøve å hjelpe til tross for språk-problemer!
    Morton:
    -hvor kjøpte du Bakre Demper?
    -hvorfor kjøpte du denne bakre lyddemper i stedet for Saab Klub modell? Er det mer stille enn standard-modellen? Flere hk? Andre?
    -Hvordan kjøper jeg gjennom Klub?
    Hubbe:
    Sier du at det ikke er noen forskjell mellom klub ”sport”-modellen og den ”vanlige” to slag foran skjerf?
    Takk.
    Jim

    First, let me thank you for your persistence in trying to help despite the language problems!
    Morton:
    -Where did you buy the rear muffler?
    -Why did you buy this rear silencer instead of Saab Klub model? Is it quieter than the standard model? More hp? Other?
    -How do I buy through Klub?
    Hubbe:
    Are you saying there is no difference between club ”sport” model and the ”regular” two stroke front muffler being sold by the Saab Klub?
    Thank you.
    Jim

    #58024
    hubbe
    Deltagare

    Hubbe:
    Are you saying there is no difference between club ”monte/sport” model and the ”regular” two stroke front muffler being sold by the Saab Klub?

    Jim,

    I am sorry to say, but it is so. The difference are only the output pipes (stingers)

    Hubbe

    #58028
    5692b
    Deltagare

    Hubbe,
    Tack you for your reply.
    So the Monte/Sport front muffler is just like a regular 96 front muffler except that it is for a 2 pipe system instead of 1 pipe system, correct?
    That is exactly what I am looking for.
    The previous owner removed the regular 2 pipe front muffler from my Monte/Sport and installed an expansion chamber. Yes, it give more HP but it is too loud for my liking. So, the Saab Klub 2 pipe front muffler may be exactly what I am looking for.
    I emailed the Klub store leader, Jan, to find out how I can purchase one.
    Thanks to all.
    Jim Pascale

    #58042
    Morten S.
    Moderator

    I can try to take it in English instead 🙂

    The rear muffler is from Biltema. We did some modifying inside + two inlets.

    We also did some modifying on the front muffler. I can ask he who did that work.

    (My MC engine is standard, and runs very well)

    Been a Saab owner since 1987.
    I have owned at least 40 Saabs, mainly older Saabs.

    Today I have:
    1960 93F
    1967 96 Monte Carlo 850
    1975 96 V4
    1989 900i 8V 5 dørs
    2009 9-3 SC tid

    #58061
    5692b
    Deltagare

    Tack, Morton.
    I will start by replacing the front expansion chamber with the standard Monte/Sport 2 stroke front muffler and see if that works….

    #58124
    glenn maretti
    Deltagare

    I disagree. The Monte/sport front muffler differs from the standard 96 muffler
    take a look: http://www.saabisti.fi/saab-96-1964/part-10-expansion-chamber/

    #58135
    Dicst
    Deltagare

    Note that there might be some confusion here:
    The original front pipe for the sport and monte is different from the standard, that is correct.
    But, the front pipes sold by the saab club shop are both standard pipes, the only difference is that the one marked ”sport” has the dual exits.
    So, if Jim wants a pure standard pipe he could buy the one in the club shop. If he wants an original sport pipe he has to look for a used one to restore, or wait until the club shop has ordered a new set of pipes (which is under discussion) that are correct inside.
    Since Jim has a highly tuned sport engine i would not recommend him to use a pure standard pipe, the engine will be very weak and dull. You should at least go for the original sport pipe. A big engine as 74mm will also deliver lots of exhaust gases and needs the area of two combined pipes or a single 2″ pipe to evacuate all gases.

    Jim, if you tell us some more of your current setup we might be able to give some better recommendations. How is the engine built? How is he current expansion chamber designed?

    Regards
    /D

    #58143
    5692b
    Deltagare

    Hej All,
    I have been told the expansion chamber in my Sport/ Monte is produced by a fellow named Bud Clark, here in the US. I am told it is tuned similar to the expansion chamber sold by Niklas at Classic Saab Racing.
    Please allow me to re-state my problem, the best that I can:
    My Monte/Sport has 74mm pistons, a proper GT crank, a tuned expansion chamber and ”stage 2” porting. It has 2 problems; (1) it runs very poorly at low RPM’s & (2) it is too loud for my taste.
    I am hoping I can solve both problems by modifying the exhaust system, by either (a) replacing the expansion chamber with a stock Sport/Monte muffler (which from reading this thread I am learning is NOT available at the present moment – the one for sale by the Klub is not a stock 96 muffler for 2 pipes, correct?) or by replacing the entire exhaust system with a Skandix Simons sport 1 pipe system (for which I have been told the 1 pipe system will give me better low end torque).
    I do not mind losing some hp. I want a fun driver not a race car.
    So there you have it. Any/all recommendations eagerly appreciated.
    Regards,
    Jim

    Hej Alla,
    Jag har fått höra expansionskammaren i min sport / Monte produceras av en man vid namn Bud Clark, här i USA. Jag har förstått att det är avstämd liknar expansionskammaren säljs av Niklas på Classic Saab Racing.
    Låt mig åter uttrycka mitt problem, det bästa som jag kan:
    Min Monte / Sport har 74mm kolvar, en riktig GT vev, en avstämd expansionskammare och ”Steg 2” portning. Den har 2 problem, (1) det går mycket dåligt vid låga varvtal och (2) det är för högt för min smak.
    Jag hoppas jag kan lösa båda problemen genom att modifiera avgassystemet, antingen (a) ersätta expansionskammaren med ett lager Sport / Monte ljuddämparen (som från att ha läst denna tråd jag lärande är inte tillgänglig i nuläget – en för försäljning av Klub är inte ett lager 96 ljuddämpare för 2 rör, korrekt?) eller genom att byta ut hela avgassystemet med en Skandix Simons sport 1 rörsystem (som jag har fått höra det 1 rörsystemet kommer att ge mig bättre låg slutet vridmoment ).
    Jag har inget emot att förlora några hk. Jag vill ha en rolig drivrutin inte en racerbil.
    Så där har ni det. Alla / alla rekommendationer uppskattas ivrigt.
    Hälsningar,
    Jim

    #58169
    rally
    Deltagare

    Eftersom din motor är trimmad rätt rejält så är det svårt att få motorn att gå både tyst och bra på låga varv.

    Du bör byta motor med någon som har en standard sport/gt motor som vill ha din trimmade motor.

    Fredrik

    #58227
    5692b
    Deltagare

    Hej Fredrik,
    Tyvärr kan jag inte ersätta motorn!
    Jag kommer att få leva leva med loudness.
    Men, kan jag få bilen att köra bättre på låga varv, även med ”Steg 2” portning? Vad skulle jag göra? Jag läste att en Simons 1 rörsystem skulle hjälpa. Vad tycker du?
    Tack
    Jim

    Hello Fredrik,
    Unfortunately, I cannot replace the engine!
    I will have to live live with the loudness.
    But, can I get the car to run better at low revs, even with ”Stage 2” porting? What would I have to do? I read that a Simons 1 pipe system would help. What do you think?
    Thanks
    Jim

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